ESEAP friends, would the UCoC Enforcement Guideline work well for your community?

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TH: (แปลอัตโนมัติ หากประโยคผิดพลาดประการใด ขออภัย ณ ที่นี้ด้วย ช่วยแก้ไขข้อความ)

เมื่อต้นปีนี้ Universal Code of Code Enforcement Guidelines ได้ผ่านขั้นตอนการลงคะแนนเสียงของชุมชนแล้ว มีผู้ลงคะแนนที่มีสิทธิ์บางส่วนจากชุมชน ESEAP เช่น วิกิพีเดียภาษาไทย เป็นต้น แต่ผู้มีสิทธิเลือกตั้งจำนวนมากไม่ได้เข้าร่วมในการลงคะแนนเสียงของชุมชน อยากรู้อยากเห็นมากที่จะเรียนรู้ความคิดของคุณเกี่ยวกับ UCoC และแนวทางการบังคับใช้ โดยเฉพาะอย่างยิ่งถ้าคุณมาจากชุมชนเหล่านี้.

คุณคิดว่าข้อความปัจจุบันของแนวทางการบังคับใช้จะทำงานได้ดีสำหรับชุมชนของคุณหรือไม่? เมื่อคุณนึกถึงวัฒนธรรมและบริบทของชุมชน แนวทางปฏิบัติมีความเหมาะสมสำหรับคุณหรือไม่ ถ้ามีปัญหา ประเด็นที่คุณเห็นคืออะไร? ขอบคุณ.

VI: (Bản dịch tự động, nếu có bất kỳ lỗi nào trong câu, tôi xin lỗi về điều này - vui lòng giúp chỉnh sửa bài đăng)

Đầu năm nay, Bộ Nguyên tắc Thực thi Quy tắc Chung đã trải qua giai đoạn bỏ phiếu của cộng đồng. Có khá nhiều cử tri đủ điều kiện từ các cộng đồng ESEAP - chẳng hạn như Wikipedia tiếng Việt - nhưng nhiều cử tri đủ điều kiện đã không tham gia bỏ phiếu của cộng đồng. Rất tò mò muốn tìm hiểu suy nghĩ của bạn về UCoC và Hướng dẫn thực thi, đặc biệt nếu bạn đến từ các cộng đồng này.

Bạn có nghĩ rằng văn bản hiện tại của nguyên tắc Thực thi sẽ hoạt động tốt cho cộng đồng của bạn không? Khi bạn nghĩ về văn hóa và bối cảnh của cộng đồng của bạn, các hướng dẫn có hợp lý với bạn không? Nếu có vấn đề, những vấn đề mà bạn nhìn thấy là gì? Cảm ơn bạn.

EN: Earlier this year, the Universal Code of Code Enforcement Guidelines went through the community voting phase. There were quite some eligible voters from ESEAP communities - such as Vietnamese Wikipedia, Thai Wikipedia, to name a few - but many eligible voters did not participate the community voting. Very curious to learn your thoughts on the UCoC and the Enforcement Guideline, particularly if you are from these communities :slight_smile:

Do you think the current text of the Enforcement guidelines would work well for your community? When you think about the culture and context of your community, does the guidelines make sense to you? If there are issues, what are the issues that you see?

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Highlighting a few areas in the below for your feedback:

  • Training: do you think training about the UCoC should be mandatory for certain groups? Who should receive these training? What format should the training take?

  • Affirmation: should users with advanced rights be asked to affirm they will adhere to the UCoC? What form should these acknowledgements take?

  • Right to be hard: do users always have a right to be heard? In what situations could a sanction be placed without input from the accused?

The revision committee is having revision discussions and is welcoming feedback and suggestions at the moment.

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  • Affirmation - advanced rights holdersに対するaffirmationに対して多くのjawiki管理者 (administrators) から異議が出されました。これは自分がMetaでも指摘しましたが、管理者がAffirmationに署名しなくても罰則はありません。罰則がないのですから、署名をしない管理者が多く現れることでしょう。そして、jawikiの多くのログイン利用者はそんな管理者をただ単にAffirmationに署名しなかったことを理由として、なんらかの処分をすることはないでしょう。ですから、 少なくともボランティアであるローカルの advanced rights holdersにaffirmationに署名を求めることは実効性が見込めません。署名を拒否しても何も起こらないのですから。The UCoCを執行しようとする「執行ガイドライン (enforcement guidelines)」に執行不可能な項目があることが非論理的で、理解が出来ません。

他のESEAPの言語版でどのような意見が出ていたのか興味があります。Affirmationに対して肯定的でしたか？否定的でしたか？

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Hi @AppleRingo777, thanks so much for sharing your view here! Just writing to confirm with you that I have took note of your feedback for the revision discussion - and we can continue having discussions on the situation relating to the Jawiki. As you have seen in the newly shared UCoC timeline, the conversation of the current revisions will continue for the next few months.

Regarding what other communities in ESEAP think about affirmation, some thoughts and ideas were mentioned in this discussion by some ZH community members.

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Dear ESEAP Wikimedians,

The UCoC Revisions Committee have published a revised version of the Enforcement Guidelines. You are invited to give your feedback and comment on this version from 8 September 2022 until 8 October 2022. You may share yours at the Meta talk page, at MS Forum, or during the conversation hour.

We will host an Asia-Pacific time zone-friendly conversation hour on Friday, 16 September, 10:00 UTC. Live interpretation in Chinese and Japanese will be provided.

Revised version: Universal Code of Conduct/Revised enforcement guidelines - Meta
Comparison of the revised parts: Universal Code of Conduct/Revised enforcement guidelines/Comparison - Meta
Sign-up for the 16 September conversation hour: Universal Code of Conduct/Revised enforcement guidelines/Conversation hours - Meta

Looking forward to see you there!

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